• Amy Roth wrote a new post, Online Harassers Prove My Point Yet Again, on the site Skepchick 5 years, 7 months ago

    ThumbnailThis post and the video within contains NSFW language and discussion of online harassment and rape and death threats. Because of course it does!

    Can you even believe it? I know, I know, we should be skeptical […]

    • Rocket was the cutest puppy ever! Thank you for the picture. Helps cleanse the palate. Unfuckingbelievable that they are still doing this four years later.

    • Every single time this topic comes up I am just INCREDIBLY BAFFLED at this behavior. What prompts someone to sit down and write such things to a stranger? It’s so crude and stupid and, ya know, I can actually believe that men like that are proudly chuckling to themselves about the things they say., but I still don’t get it.

      I would like to ask them just one question: Is this the kind of person you want to be? Seriously?

      Oh and Hi! Rocket. He’s a cutey.

    • One of the myriad of reasons that the harassment persists is probably that people like Jaclyn Glenn *still* make videos that claim that Rebecca Watson lied (or perhaps misunderstood?) when she said that she was propositioned in the elevator – about three and a half years ago. The last one I know about was posted on Aug 30, ‘14, “Avoiding Awkward & Sticky Situations!“ Untruthful antifeminist videos are going to be made. I don’t expect anyone to try to stop that. What gives the MRA-talking-points videos more power to harm is that organizations like American Atheists promote Glenn’s work, thus ensuring that people who hate feminists, and spread misinformation about us, know they are welcome by a large and influential atheist organization. Of course, Dawkins’ foundation enthusiastically supports Jaclyn Glenn, but that was completely unsurprising. Danielle Muscato’s support of Glenn’s antifeminist work shocked and depressed me greatly. I think that if, sometime in the future, American Atheists stops endorsing the work of people who spread harmful lies, then the harassment of atheist/skeptical women will be reduced.

    • Puppies make everything better.
      I will never understand online hate, I just don’t get it. I guess I can’t think that way.

    • Wow, they’re still attacking Rebecca for, um, telling men there’s an unfortunate implication when they hit on a captive audience at four in the morning? I don’t even think the guy who made that faux pas was this offended by Rebecca’s helpful hint so as not to come off like a total skeez. But then, MRAs can never MYOB, no?

      But young carnivora make everything better.

    • The comment in the picture, is that a retweeted FTB comment directed at The Amazing Atheist? If so there are people on our side who need to cut that out too.

    • Do a lot of people at this point in time not understand how twitter and commenting work? Is that why these lies are so easily spread? Because that tweet doesn’t even have anything to do with the “amazing” atheist.

      Should I do a social media 101 tutorial to explain how harassers use social media and hashtags to target people? Is that needed?

      • I know, that was dumb of me. It’s not so much not understanding social media as my getting names and even non-proper words mixed up really easily.

        • Thanks for letting me know but I worry that this speaks to the larger problem of people making false assumptions about us or others without fact checking and then taking that information as truth and spreading it.

      • Anyway sorry for not making sure I knew what I was reading before commenting. I’m at work and doing online stuff between tasks. Bad habit.

      • Amy, it is certainly not your job to explain to us twitter ignoramuses how it works and what all the various cartoon swear words (“@#&!”) mean and how to figure out who said what to who and whether they are repeating a bit of hate or just reporting or outing a slimoid. That said, I generally find excerpted Twitter conversations impossible to follow. (The Tweet in the picture was easy enough to understand, though.)

        Googling “twitter newbie guide”, I quickly found this, which seems to provide the basic set of definitions. (Not sure about the definition of Direct Messaging, it seems to contradict itself and the later fuller explanation in section 4. This could be a sign the whole page is suspect or poorly edited.)

        To answer your questions, though, I think yes, a lot of people don’t understand how twitter works, but I think the lies are being spread by people who understand twitter and know exactly what they are doing. I do think there are a lot of us bystanders who just see “oh, another twitter storm”, and ignore it. Maybe a few people who try to engage but don’t understand what’s going on. I hope my link (or Google; there’s lots more) helps them. In a just world, you shouldn’t have to do that. Unless you want to do an Ask Surly Amy: “People keep speaking Twitterese around me and I don’t understand. Should I be concerned?”

        P.S. I could try to compress this to 140 characters: “#Notyourjob, but some/many/a lot of us could use some help here”.

      • I don’t know about anyone else around here, but I seem to be the cliched “babe in the wilderness” about how social media work. Twitter, for example, drives me to distraction — I’m often confused about where threads begin or end, and who’s saying what to whom.

        So perhaps a Social Media 101 tutorial is a good idea. It’ll help some of us who just dabble on the edges of social media understand how the harassers abuse systems to get away with their crimes.

    • Wow. That is like a love letter to classical Freudian psychology. It is crazy what people do when their sexual frustration turns to fear and hate.

      • “It is crazy what people do when their sexual frustration turns to fear and hate.”

        It’s not sexual frustration. That much is clear. If you’re starving, it might lead you to steal stuff from a food vendor or break into a grocery store, but it wouldn’t make you write hate mail to the editor of a foodie magazine.

        I don’t see him saying, “why won’t you put out for me?” What he’s complaining about is that “women” dare to think or act in ways that don’t fit in with what he wants. Note the mix of love and hate in the text.

        You might call it “narcissistic frustration”.

    • I really don’t …
      Why do these whining idiots think that they improve the reputation of misogyny by that sort of rant?

      Try some cute baby Tasmanian Devils courtesy of Zooborns

    • Oh sweet holy suffering saints ‘n’ martyrs, David Osorio over at the whiny oppressed Libertarian skeptic site, whose URL I won’t justify with posting, had a piece on ElevatorGate and Dear Muslima just last week. He’s sad sad sad that people take issue with Richard Dawkins (hello, not-understanding-Twitter!!!), and don’t worship every sexist and imperialist thing the great man tweets. But mostly he dwells on Elevators, and how bad feminists are for not enjoying really inappropriate propositions. Almost four years after the fact, he can’t let it go, and accept the fact that a man was a total jerk and a woman mentioned it. Sometimes the mind reels.

    • Well done. It’s a shame I didn’t have the chance to be in the audience.

      I knew the harassment problem was bad. I’m rather chagrined that I didn’t know just how bad the situation is. Honestly, I’m somewhat stunned. I can’t imagine how I’d deal with that sewage pit of hatred.

      Putting this talk together must have been difficult and distressing, and I thank you for taking on such a distasteful task. True, “distasteful” doesn’t cover it, but I’m out of words.

    • There was a truther who changed his mind on a BBC roadtrip that took five conspiracy theorists around places involved in the 911 attacks. His name was Charlie Veitch.

      He said in an interview with Miles Power that he got death threats. People attacked him, attacked his family, tried to hack him…he didn’t get rape threats or gendered slurs of course, having just turned on a movement that held him up as the golden child and not a woman on the internet with an opinion or anything horrible like that, but he said the threats lasted a whole year. Now, he says things are back to normal and 96% of his responses are positive. Unlike women caught in the crosshairs of misogynists. That hatred never seems to end.

    • Any one willing to make a petition demanding the Gov. do something about sexual harassment online? Unless something is done (this point is probably redundant anyways, because people have made it before), there will be no changes regarding policies that both protect against sexual harassment online as well as not infringing on our Constitutional rights.