• Olivia wrote a new post, Shia LaBeouf: Still Weird, Still Worth Compassion, on the site Skepchick 5 years, 4 months ago

    I don’t really get Shia LaBeouf. I’m not entirely sure that anyone “gets” Shia LaBeouf, as his behavior is often self-aggrandizing, sometimes bizarre, and repeatedly unethical (plagiarizing an apology for […]

    • I completely agree with you and I also think he was sexually assaulted. His art show made me so uncomfortable because I thought surely someone would take advantage of him like that so I was not surprised to hear his allegations.

      Not that I am comparing him to Yoko Ono, but her “Cut Piece” made me uncomfortable too for the same reason.

    • The Atlantic article was a little confusing until I realized the link is to the 2nd page of a 2-page story. Just scroll down to the bottom and click “page 1” or “single page” to read the whole thing.

      If I’m understanding the story correctly, LaBeouf put himself in a vulnerable position and some vicious predator* took advantage of it to physically assault and rape him. Then the parasites* came out of the woodwork to blame him and not the rapist. How is this different in any essential way than the thousands of other similar stories that occur every week, such as the Oklahoma high school girls in today’s Quickies or the Vassar freshman yesterday?

      Whether LaBeouf was terrible in the 4th Indiana Jones movie (I thought he was adequate) or has done strange things in his personal life is no more relevant than his hair color, choice of automobiles, gender, or whether he was walking down the street at night alone and drunk. Some horrible person did terrible things to him.

      [*] apologies to the real predators and parasites out there who perform essential ecological functions to the benefit (most of the time) to us all.

    • Good article, Olivia. I’d just like to add that, while it’s surely true that “sometimes bad things do happen to bad people”, and while it’s good to keep that in mind, I’m not convinced that Shia Labeouf is a bad person.

    • Exactly. But, as donboc pointed out…maybe bad things happen to odd people would be a better way of putting it? I work with survivors of sexual violence. He was raped. I am not comfortable putting rape on a scale of bad to worst. I refuse to question his rape, simply because he put himself in a vulnerable situation. Can a prostitute be raped? A wife? A husband? A dancer? A porn star? A drunk person? Rape = no consent. Period.

    • It should be open-and-shut, but a lot of men who have been sexually assaulted even deny it to themselves. “Rape”, in their minds, is something that happens to women and gay men. And men are always supposed to want sex, so if you didn’t enjoy sex, it means something’s wrong with you.

      It’s another confusing aspect of rape culture. A lot of internalized victim-blaming.

    • I have no fucking clue who he is. I don’t watch TV much, I hardly make it to the movies, I don’t follow celebrity anything. Just not my cuppa tea.
      Somebody was raped and they have my support. Everything else is irrelevant.

    • I also want to add: It is very unlikely that he ever knows about what I wrote above.
      After all I’m just some weird nobody with a internet access. But he’s probably aware that there are people on the net who support him (and I hope that he and other guys who are genuinly interested in supporting male rape victims do notice who supports them and who doesnt’) and I want to add my drop of water to that ocean.
      Which connects with the main reason I write support notes for somebody who will never read them: Other people, other victims of rape of all genders will read them and know that there are at least some people who will not question them to death and who will support them if they come forward.