• ThumbnailThere have been many recent examples of high profile plagiarism scandals, from Jane Goodall to Slavoj Žižek to Shia LeBeouf to Jonah Lehrer.

    Add to that noteworthy list Jaclyn Glenn, who you probably don’t […]

    • Are you daring to imply that Jaclyn Glenn’s cultural impact might match that of Shia LeBeouf?

    • I’m sorry, but this article seems very petty to me. Who CARES if she stole some text from a comment? Seriously. She is out there fighting on behalf of Mankind to help rid the world of religion. We need more people doing it. And if they take some words from a comment here or there it is a non-issue.

      • Seriously, we need WAY more people plagiarizing, and calling other atheists, “pussies” from their bedrooms if we are going to convince more people to join us.

        • Hmm. Sadly, her “video” isn’t a pro-PUA version of Naked News. I am sure the target audience would adore her even more for it. Me.. I would still go for something less demeaning, like.. any of the videos on certain “adult clips” sites, or a copy of one of the “raunchier” adult mags. Some of those might actually contain something not pro-misogynistic. And, what does that say about how F-ed up the world seems to be?

      • “She is out there fighting on behalf of Mankind to help rid the world of religion.”

        Great, so I agree with neither her aim nor her method.

      • Yep. She’s fighting on behalf of Mankind alright. The other half of humanity? Not so much.

        • I was thinking Mankind the pro wrestler, a.k.a. Mick Foley.

          Or the ManKind Project, an unrelated ‘get in touch with your inner wild man’ woo.

          • Good point. I didn’t pay enough attention to the capitalization. Clearly Jaclyn Glenn and Mankind have formed a tag team duo. Who do you think is in Rebecca’s corner? I’m guessing The Rock.

          • Mick Foley is totally a feminist, though. He’d be on my side!

      • zylla replied 6 years ago

        That plagiarism is wrong is something taught in middle school. Whether it’s legally actionable or not is irrelevant (unless you’re the party pursuing it), it’s morally reprehensible to any writer. It’s even more of a sore point considering this is an atheist and so many religious types argue that atheists have no morals. So I, for one, care.

    • If she were adding something significant to the conversation I could think that that was why she was popular in spite of being a mean-girl anti-feminist atheist, but… I’m not seeing it, and it tends to make me think instead that she’s becoming popular *because* of being a mean-girl anti-feminist atheist.

    • <make browsers happy/>

      “Personally, I can’t bear to dig through her videos to find out, but perhaps one of you has the time, patience, and sense of moral outrage necessary to take on the task. “

      But moral outrage is boring!

    • I used to subscribe to Thunderf00t and Amazing Atheist videos. Unfortunately their tone changed and they developed a zeal for a very fundamentalist, literal kind of “free speech”, and I could not stomach them anymore. They profess to be anti-feminist but their definition of feminism bears no resemblance to actual feminism. It’s a shame that yet another YouTube atheist has gone down this path and that they also dishonestly plagiarize.

      In my YouTube travels female atheists are still quite rare. The only other female atheist YouTuber I know of goes by the name Lee Lemon ( http://www.youtube.com/user/leelem0n ). Unfortunately, she also professes an anti-feminist sentiment in a one or two of her videos. 🙁 YouTube could definitely use more Rebecca Watsons and Christina Rads.

      • Oh, and few more Surly Amys would rock as well.

      • BionicDance, ThePeach, WeissApple, WildwoodClaire1, Lacy Green?

        Does ZinniaJones count as a female atheist YouTuber? Or is the Skepchick commentary community only recognize individuals with 2 X chromosomes as female?
        I also have encountered rad fems who are insulted if you use the term “female”. Not sure why that is, but feel free to refer to me as female or a female. I’ve always liked that word, personally. I never had the opportunity to ask someone who actually feels this way. My follow-up question would be whether she is ok with referring to the other half of the human population as male or males.

    • drken replied 6 years ago

      I’m with PZ, until she plagiarizes her apology for plagiarism, she’s no Shia LeBeouf. I’ve never heard of Lee Lemon, but I do like Futurama references. I’ll have to check some of her videos out.

    • That Dawkins twitter is like the internet’s bigoted, embarrassing old grandpa that everyone wants to ignore, but there he is at Thanksgiving complaining about how the girls today shouldn’t dress all slutty if they want to get a husband and telling that one story about the funny Chinese down at the market. He’s like the anti-Takei.

    • I wonder if the APA has a guide on Facebook statuses and plagiarism of Youtube comments. In any event, she has attributed credit to “Mikkj1”, so this should probably be updated.

      • When you get caught, it doesn’t count any more if you try to cover up what you did.

    • As if by magic, this morning my YouTube “What to Watch” suggestions included a female atheist named MinorityAtheist ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCchZAQbtHEcyvRZphDNmNhA ). Looks like she only started posting videos back in March.

    • I always thought she was atheist click bait. There was probably a bit of ageism going on, as I assumed she was too young to have much personal experience or expertise to go into much depth, and would be saying things I’ve already heard. I hate it when my prejudices turn out to be a little too true.

    • Interesting that in the original part of the comment she actually makes an important point about not judging female vloggers on their gender and looks. Too bad her actual video content undermines that goal.

      • What am I saying–she’s being perfectly consistent. She wants people to not judge HER by her gender or looks, other women be damned. The essence of the anti-feminist woman.

    • Also, it appears Ophelia Benson herself may have plagiarized Anthony Stanley, who seems to be the one who caught the copy paste job itself. Blog posts copying Facebook comments of Facebook statuses copying Youtube comments. It truly is a dire world.

      • Are you are saying she took his word by word response or that she had a similar idea that may have been prompted by someone else’s catch? I ask because there really is a difference.

      • Will replied 6 years ago

        I just love when you come on here and say things like this but provide no links or context.

        • gemmer v. to babble vehemently and incoherently without providing any context whatsoever

          “I posted one photo of a firefighter on my blog and suddenly there were Truthers gemmering all over the place.”

        • Careful, Will. It’s almost like you’re…demanding he provide proof of his assertions, rather than taking him on faith. There’s got to be a word for that kind of episteme, it’s on the tip of my tongue…

    • Following this article i viewed several videos of jaclyn now and can’t for the live of me find a single shred of evidence that she is anti-feminist. So, i honestly don’t know where all the anger comes from. She prefers the view to have totally equal rights for all genders (not just male and female). If that’s anti-feminist than maybe i don’t know what feminist is. To me she comes across as a very bright person with a very social and inclusive world view.

      • I suspect you are right, you don’t know what feminist is.

        • Then please enlighten me what is anti-feminist about jaclyn. I am honestly curious.

          • Two things spring to mind. Firstly, she seems to not realise how much society supports misogyny. That I can understand to some degree. Certainly I’m blind to a lot of the subtle signals society sends me. However, if intelligent people keep telling me that I’m missing something, then at some stage I stop denying them and digging my heels in and instead start to question my own perception.

            Secondly, another thing and something that really makes me angry about her posts is that I get the feeling that she’s telling me what I believe because I self-identify as a feminist. This despite many many people commenting that her definition of feminism is not representative of that used by self-identifying feminists.

          • She has a straw-feminist character (that looks and acts a lot like Christina Rad though she denies it is) and she has attacked a version of Atheism+ that simply does not exist. That is really the whole thing, I wouldn’t personally label her as anti-feminist but rather anti-feminism with a side helping of not understanding exactly what feminism really is.

            It’s funny how even women can misunderstand the term, for example she has misconstrued the “recent drama” as simply “writers” trying to concoct a story about her while dismissing the criticisms of her view as “there’s just no winning with them” (the them meaning feminists), so completely missing the point while dismissing it all as “those darned feminists”. All in the same video where she admonishes her critics for not acknowledging her criticism while not actually acknowledging their criticism of her, it’s all very meta. Any time you categorize your critics (not just your opponents) as monolith you have already decided to not be serious about the topic.

            Plus, though it’s not a specific reason that she is wrong, she reads Men Are From Mars, and Women Are From Venus and seems to take it seriously and she uses the word whenever when she means when, but then that’s just a pet peeve of mine I guess.

            • For me she looks quite feminist, but maybe not the same brand of feminism that you prefer and defend (what i understand). The harshest critics of the shiite muslims are the sunnite muslims. Same goes for protestants and catholics. I think the same mechanism is at work here. In reality Jaclyn has very similar positions to yours, but the differences that do exist (i agree) get exaggerated to a point where she is now “anti-feminist”, like a protestant calling a catholic “anti-christ”. Just some food for thought. There are lots and lots and lots of people where the term “anti-feminist” would be more appropriate.

            • Not mocking people who don’t fall directly in line with your way of thinking would be a step toward not being seen as against those people.

              Just saying.

            • pyrion – I find those comparisons rather…interesting. Those are groups that have been known to kill each other over their differences. That is indeed “harsh” criticism! So, let us hope that the “same mechanism” is *NOT* at work!
              Ultimately, it seems your point is that there are people out there that are more anti-feminist. So what? Does that mean we should completely ignore the weaker instances of anti-feminism? No, I think that would be a bad idea. Actually, I would expect it to be easier to win over those who are the weaker anti-feminists than those that are strong anti-feminists, so the focus *should* be on people like Glenn.

    • Ah mrmisconception, you arrived to the conclusion that I had also come to after thinking about this today. She sums up anyone with different ideas about the movement as one dissenting voice and mocks them. So if you don’t agree with a particular point of view of the atheist movement you can be othered. She sets the scene up as a personal debate. But her one disagreeable person is not just one voice, but a chorus of voices. Some reasonable, some quite frankly not.

      Maybe she is confusing atheism and skepticism and free though and and the feminist movement and ableism and racism and so on and trying to wrap them all into one neat package, that all atheist should?/could? get behind. Real life is filled with oppression and it isn’t going to separated from any social movements, ever.

      Of course I don’t think that the front lines of atheism represents me these days. Where is this *sides* thing coming from? I have MOSTLY believer friends. So being atheist does not make me want to ‘side’ with anyone. I want atheism to be accepted in society and for religion to not oppress me and my family, but I don’t consider all nor even most of my religious friends, folks that ‘reject science’. I think such phrases are like some sort of marketed ploy and are meant to be decisive. Most of my friends would go to the doctor if sick or would call a repair person over scheduling a prayer meeting, not that they wouldn’t do that too but just saying they do not reject science as I know it to be logical though through use of the scientific method. Not that there aren’t terrible consequences from religion, but to say there are these clear *sides* and I should be on one feels ridiculous.

    • This seems so petty to me. You just seem really jealous of Jaclyn’s success. You also seem to label anyone who doesn’t agree with you as anti-feminist. Stuff like this is the reason I’ve limited my atheist subscriptions on things like YouTube.

    • You just seem really defensive of Jaclyn’s success. You also seem to label anyone who doesn’t agree with her as petty or jealous.